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Post by Slainwolff on Tue Feb 11, 2014 4:16 pm

What has been the picture of third party support on the Wii U? It seems that late DLC, no DLC, missing modes, and selling last year’s game as this year’s, has been the way to go. Then follow that up with trying to justify poor sales by blaming consumers (or, even Nintendo), and canceling or delaying future titles? There are examples of publisher support that shouldn’t be forgotten, wonderfully terrible examples in our opinion. How about a publisher releasing one game from a series on the Wii U for $60, but selling the entire series in a bundle on other consoles for the same price as the Wii U’s single game version? And how about one publisher releasing the exact same game on all consoles at the same time, but pricing the Wii U version nearly 70% more than the other versions? Or, now even a more recent example, delaying only the Wii U version of a game that was already previously announced; despite the publisher doing exactly the opposite with a certain Wii U game in 2013?

Not only was/is this actively sabotaging sales of those Wii U games by the publishers in our opinion, but it was apparently assuming most Wii U owners in 2012, 2013, and even now in 2014 would be ignorant of those things (we guess?), or not care about them?

We are tired of hearing excuses from so many third party developers and publishers in regards to supporting the Wii U. We think it’s a shame so many third party developers and publishers have provided excuses for not supporting the system, instead of providing examples. There’s really only one way to dice some third party support of Nintendo systems: can’t never could, and never will.

http://playeressence.com/new-development-studio-ae-games-slams-ubisoft-ea-and-other-3rd-parties-over-treatment-of-the-wii-u-its-customers/
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Post by ColumbianLoom on Tue Feb 11, 2014 8:55 pm

Slainwolff wrote:
What has been the picture of third party support on the Wii U? It seems that late DLC, no DLC, missing modes, and selling last year’s game as this year’s, has been the way to go. Then follow that up with trying to justify poor sales by blaming consumers (or, even Nintendo), and canceling or delaying future titles? There are examples of publisher support that shouldn’t be forgotten, wonderfully terrible examples in our opinion. How about a publisher releasing one game from a series on the Wii U for $60, but selling the entire series in a bundle on other consoles for the same price as the Wii U’s single game version? And how about one publisher releasing the exact same game on all consoles at the same time, but pricing the Wii U version nearly 70% more than the other versions? Or, now even a more recent example, delaying only the Wii U version of a game that was already previously announced; despite the publisher doing exactly the opposite with a certain Wii U game in 2013?

Not only was/is this actively sabotaging sales of those Wii U games by the publishers in our opinion, but it was apparently assuming most Wii U owners in 2012, 2013, and even now in 2014 would be ignorant of those things (we guess?), or not care about them?

We are tired of hearing excuses from so many third party developers and publishers in regards to supporting the Wii U. We think it’s a shame so many third party developers and publishers have provided excuses for not supporting the system, instead of providing examples. There’s really only one way to dice some third party support of Nintendo systems: can’t never could, and never will.

http://playeressence.com/new-development-studio-ae-games-slams-ubisoft-ea-and-other-3rd-parties-over-treatment-of-the-wii-u-its-customers/

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Post by ColumbianLoom on Fri Feb 14, 2014 6:00 pm

Bear - Nintendo needs more advertisement on the TV and pretty much everywhere. You may not think it makes a difference, but it really does. The amount of people that watch TV is enormous and if Nintendo puts out adds that are funny/cool to watch (not the family friendly crap), people will love it. Also, in their commercials they need to make it clear that Wii U isn't an add on to the Wii. They need to make it fast and effective.

Sony commercials are great. There's a lot money and production that goes into Sony's commercials and it gets them results. Nintendo needs to do the same. Hell even, Microsoft's advertising is good because they advertise Xbox a lot during sports events and what not. Almost every football game I watched last season had a Xbox One commercial.

So while Sony and Microsoft are getting all this screen time on prime time channels, Nintendo is only advertising their things on channels like Nick Jr. and that sends out a bad message. They need to advertise their stuff to every audience and not just kids. If they want gamers, they need to put ads that appeal to gamers.

Also, what if Nintendo tried to hype up their Nintendo Directs more? What if there was commercials that was hyping up their Directs on TV? That would be awesome. More people would probably watch it if they made it more known.

The problem with Nintendo is that they aren't transparent enough to people who aren't their fans. Us fans get it, but other people don't get it because Nintendo never seems to try and pull them in.

Nintendo is too traditional and they need to evolve form their old way of thinking.

Btw, their iOS/Android like devices that they've been teasing will be great for them because people nowadays are used to unified devices and having a game device that's similar to that would be amazing. This shows me that Nintendo is aware of the current market place and gives me hope for the future. But, until then Nintendo is stuck with the Wii U. They need to figure out a good way to ride out the Wii U without losing too much and making a good marketing campaign for the Wii U will do just that.
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Post by Bearhugger29 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 7:30 pm

As i said to Legend earlier today when i spoke with him on Teamspeak and also said in one of my posts. Yes i agree they need to do commercials but that's not going to help them as much as you and most people make it out to be. As much as the whole Wii U name causing an impact in the system from selling along with the design choice Nintendo took for the Wii U making it more like the design to that of the Wii. Most people who would see these commercials would still question on what it is and act as if it's some form of add-on for the Wii.

So as i said to Legend, a more interactive approach would benefit more for them in the long run, while having commercials playing on TV for those who are stupid enough to call themselves gamer's yet still fail to understand what the system is and what its capable of doing. Not throwing the casual/non gamers here but there are a bunch of people who have covered the Wii U at E3 and didn't even pay attention to what Iwata and Reggie even said in there conference related to the announcement to the Wii U. When people like IGN and Gamespot writing stuff about the confusing nature to what Nintendo showed off and yet they sit there and highlight a flaw in there own work that just proves they didn't even pay attention to what they said at that presentation. Fucking retarded, yet when we dive deeper into the aspect of the whole name for the Wii U i look at it in the sense of the olden days back the NES and SNES were around. One letter in front of the NES and this time around a letter at the end of the Wii. 3 letters going 4, just like the past. Yet from a casual standpoint i can totally understand that aspect cause back then, gaming was known to most people as a fad. It was a hobby that was picked up from those who enjoyed it but not what its like today. Today, well I'm not going to touch that but ill save that for anther rant down the road cause i have so much to say on that aspect.

When you say "Nintendo is too traditional and they need to evolve form their old way of thinking." They don't need to change anything but just improve on that method and they have been. This is why i love Nintendo so much, they are the ones that still make gaming a hobby and not some sheer overpriced hobby like Devs do with there own games for the more powerful consoles on the market. They actually take there time and make there games come out almost flawless. Most devs are forced by there publishers to release broken flawed products and that to me as a gamer is unacceptable. I'm glad that Nintendo is a console and more so Developer of there own products. Take there time to release a better first time experience then a broken flawed product I'm sick of that aspect. Now most people would argue the fact that Nintendo needs to do something new as in there first party games. I can agree to a small extent but they have been making newer shit but everyone just brushes it off and ignore its. Pikmin, Wii Music, Steel Diver, just to name a few and yes there are more then that but they get shamed upon. Not so much Pikmin but the others tend to get picked on by most so called Nintendo fans. Sure Wii Music was a horrible game BUT i loved the concept to what they were trying to do with it. It was there own version of a musical element that was still running its course with games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero. Sure a few more months or another year in development and include the support of Wii Motion plus would of made that game alot more playable and more enjoyable.

Nintendo is far from a perfect company but they always bounce back from there fuck ups. Wii U will bounce back with more so of a positive response. Most people think its too late. Really, this new generation just started. I don't care if the Wii U was out a year in advance, that doesn't mean shit at this point. Cause i strongly believe that Nintendo had a main focus on the hardcore during that first year and it completely backfired. Hence why they waited so long to put into motion there Iphone aspect. They tried to see if the hardcore would give in and buy there console and that backfired as i said. Most people would laugh at this theory or call it an excuse but i strongly believe that was Nintendo's intent when you really look at the big picture. The reason why i support this theory that i came up with is quite simple. The casual had there run with the Wii and so many core fans where disgusted with the Wii not having any good core games. So Nintendo wanted to see how the core would utilize the Wii U in there eyes and yet that just proved to be nothing more then gamer's just running there fucking mouths like the normally do. So both parties are there to blame, Nintendo and the community. Sure the games didn't really have any wow factor behind it but that wasn't the point Nintendo was trying to get across. They wanted to prove to the core audience that core games was going to have a bigger focus for them. Yet look at what happened that first year.

Yes Nintendo has to step up there game and they are going to and of course none other but doing so in there own way which is what Nintendo does best.
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Post by ColumbianLoom on Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:00 pm

Bearhugger29 wrote:As i said to Legend earlier today when i spoke with him on Teamspeak and also said in one of my posts. Yes i agree they need to do commercials but that's not going to help them as much as you and most people make it out to be. As much as the whole Wii U name causing an impact in the system from selling along with the design choice Nintendo took for the Wii U making it more like the design to that of the Wii. Most people who would see these commercials would still question on what it is and act as if it's some form of add-on for the Wii.

So as i said to Legend, a more interactive approach would benefit more for them in the long run, while having commercials playing on TV for those who are stupid enough to call themselves gamer's yet still fail to understand what the system is and what its capable of doing. Not throwing the casual/non gamers here but there are a bunch of people who have covered the Wii U at E3 and didn't even pay attention to what Iwata and Reggie even said in there conference related to the announcement to the Wii U. When people like IGN and Gamespot writing stuff about the confusing nature to what Nintendo showed off and yet they sit there and highlight a flaw in there own work that just proves they didn't even pay attention to what they said at that presentation. Fucking retarded, yet when we dive deeper into the aspect of the whole name for the Wii U i look at it in the sense of the olden days back the NES and SNES were around. One letter in front of the NES and this time around a letter at the end of the Wii. 3 letters going 4, just like the past. Yet from a casual standpoint i can totally understand that aspect cause back then, gaming was known to most people as a fad. It was a hobby that was picked up from those who enjoyed it but not what its like today. Today, well I'm not going to touch that but ill save that for anther rant down the road cause i have so much to say on that aspect.

When you say "Nintendo is too traditional and they need to evolve form their old way of thinking." They don't need to change anything but just improve on that method and they have been. This is why i love Nintendo so much, they are the ones that still make gaming a hobby and not some sheer overpriced hobby like Devs do with there own games for the more powerful consoles on the market. They actually take there time and make there games come out almost flawless. Most devs are forced by there publishers to release broken flawed products and that to me as a gamer is unacceptable. I'm glad that Nintendo is a console and more so Developer of there own products. Take there time to release a better first time experience then a broken flawed product I'm sick of that aspect. Now most people would argue the fact that Nintendo needs to do something new as in there first party games. I can agree to a small extent but they have been making newer shit but everyone just brushes it off and ignore its. Pikmin, Wii Music, Steel Diver, just to name a few and yes there are more then that but they get shamed upon. Not so much Pikmin but the others tend to get picked on by most so called Nintendo fans. Sure Wii Music was a horrible game BUT i loved the concept to what they were trying to do with it. It was there own version of a musical element that was still running its course with games like Rock Band and Guitar Hero. Sure a few more months or another year in development and include the support of Wii Motion plus would of made that game alot more playable and more enjoyable.

Nintendo is far from a perfect company but they always bounce back from there fuck ups. Wii U will bounce back with more so of a positive response. Most people think its too late. Really, this new generation just started. I don't care if the Wii U was out a year in advance, that doesn't mean shit at this point. Cause i strongly believe that Nintendo had a main focus on the hardcore during that first year and it completely backfired. Hence why they waited so long to put into motion there Iphone aspect. They tried to see if the hardcore would give in and buy there console and that backfired as i said. Most people would laugh at this theory or call it an excuse but i strongly believe that was Nintendo's intent when you really look at the big picture. The reason why i support this theory that i came up with is quite simple. The casual had there run with the Wii and so many core fans where disgusted with the Wii not having any good core games. So Nintendo wanted to see how the core would utilize the Wii U in there eyes and yet that just proved to be nothing more then gamer's just running there fucking mouths like the normally do. So both parties are there to blame, Nintendo and the community. Sure the games didn't really have any wow factor behind it but that wasn't the point Nintendo was trying to get across. They wanted to prove to the core audience that core games was going to have a bigger focus for them. Yet look at what happened that first year.

Yes Nintendo has to step up there game and they are going to and of course none other but doing so in there own way which is what Nintendo does best.

First, what do you mean by this "interactive approach"? You mean like what they did at E3 with the demos at Gamestops? That's nice and all, but that didn't really change anything since only a select amount of people knew about it. I like would like you to clarify this because TV advertisement is the most effective way to advertise your product. It's been like this for decades.

Second, I appreciate your enthusiasm but I don't share the same view. I'm trying to look at this objectively and to just pass it off and say, "well Nintendo always bounces back so it's not a problem." I'm sorry, but that type of thinking is just not realistic. Sure Nintendo has gotten lucky in the past, but how long will that luck last? I personally believe that Wii U can't just get lucky like the 3DS because Wii U is in a totally different market place and of course, it's not very popular even after a year. I think Nintendo is going to learn a hard lesson with the Wii U and that lesson is one they need to learn.

Third, Nintendo went for the hardcore? That's news to me. I think a 9 month drought isn't considered going out for the hardcore. They didn't do shit for the core gamer until recently lately, but it was too late because the core gamer moved on because Nintendo lost their interest after a 9 month drought. I don't know where you got that idea from. If anything, Nintendo just put it's typical software that it always does last year. They didn't really put anything out that was super different and that's what a lot of core gamers want from Nintendo. Variety.
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Post by Bearhugger29 on Fri Feb 14, 2014 9:36 pm

An interactive approach is something they did back in 2012 with there Wii U Tour. So many people showed up at those events and raved the system. They were not people that work for the press it was an open idea for people to explore the new system. So all those people should know by now what the Wii U is and understand its not an add-on. Also like i said, YES commercials need to be there and that's fine. Just don't expect those commercials to help sell the system with out people still not understanding the full concept of the what the system is. Casual gamer's don't understand what Next Generation means in the gaming world. They look at it and scratch there head in confusion. Yet if the commercial is done right then there is hope at the end of that dark tunnel. I really do hope that this will be a selling point and i want it to but seeing how this community is. I have no hope for it.

What lesson does Nintendo need to learn exactly? what to give into what Sony and Microsoft do and go on with a new system that is on par with theirs? Sure that's fine but to bad most people who are loyal customers will not even blink an eye lash at that aspect. Devs will but it will be short lived sadly when they see there games are not selling as good as they do compared to Sony and Microsoft's consoles. This is why i enjoy the aspect of having to own two systems or all 3 and not just one. Every single generation I've owned all said platforms. I'm an advert gamer and that's how i was raised to be. Even for those who just prefer one system that has to be extremely boring but that's for another rant. Anyways your right Nintendo needs to step up there game that is a given but I'm looking at from my own views flawed or mis given.

Most of the games that launched for the Wii U where mostly targeted for the core in mind. Zombie U, ASS creed 3, batman, Cod, ect. Sure there are a bunch of casual type games into the mix but then again look at it compared to the Wii launch. Completely different as core games are concerned. YES the Wii ushered in a new era of gaming and that's all fine and good but it was short lived. Most core gamers ignored the Wii after 2 to 3 months, most casuals up and left for Social games and iPhone games. You get the idea. NOW as for 3rd party related content. I WANNA See new shit, not sloppy broken fucking ports that no one will even buy. Look at how last generation went, it started off extremely well then went to completely and utter shit when DLC started to make its entrance into the community. This gen will sadly get extremely worse. Now what does this have to do with Nintendo. Well they don't want that Negativity on there system and i agree. Yet don't get me wrong it would be nice if Devs had the balls and not be fucking lazy as hell to release decent versions of popular games like COD but they've already achieved that and yet it has become the less selling game across all platforms PC included. YEAH even though sure the install base is small as fuck for the Wii U but yet look at how COD did on the Wii when they released COD 4 reflex and that game sold like utter shit. Yet should that not allow devs to release 3rd party games? No they should but take there fucking time to release a non broken game but these fucking publishers are a bunch of greedy fuck heads and that will never change sadly. It's a real shame that only a few devs will bring there games over to the Wii U but most of them don't cause the install base isn't there. Yet if it was, maybe things would be different in the sense for 3rd parties BUT i highly doubt it given the past nature of 3rd parties when it comes to Nintendo. Gamecube comes to mind.

So overall my whole point is they are making there own changes but for the better. That conference they had last month already started to put forth a new effort and that's a good thing. I will say this though. What you said in your post is NOT wrong at all. We just happen to have two different points on the matter. That's a good thing.
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Post by ColumbianLoom on Sat Feb 15, 2014 1:37 am

@Da Bear

See, Bear what I'm trying to say is that Wii U Tour and all of Nintendo's attempts so far have been futile. If they were working, Wii U would be selling decently right now. They can't just make the fans happy, that isn't good enough.

This is why i say that Nintendo needs to change up their game and evolve. I'm not saying become like Sony and MS, but they just need to get more in touch with this generation of gamers. They can do this without becoming Sony or MS.

Though, I think it's good for Nintendo to learn from Sony and MS because they do a lot of things right in the marketing world or just things in general.

Also another thing: I don't understand what you want Nintendo to do. You make it sound like there's no hope for them because MS and Sony consumers won't buy Nintendo products but that just isn't true. If Nintendo gives people reasons to buy their products, gamers alike will flock to them. Nintendo hasn't given enough compelling reasons and if they have, they aren't making it well known. Also, Nintendo lost a lot of people on the just the name "Wii U" alone. That just shows that they sitll wanted to milk the Wii's success and not change. It turned a lot of people off. Hell, it even turned me off. But now they're stuck with it and need to deal with it.

Nintendo is playing too much under the radar. They need get up on a table and starts shouting and stop cheering form the sidelines.

And on third parties, Nintendo needs to realize that third parties will never be their side again. Even if they say they are/will be, it just isn't true. That's why Nintendo needs to support their future systems from the get go and have tons of titles during their launch window. If they do that, more people will flock to their system(s) and that will attract third parties. If third parties see an ounce of weakness like they did for Wii U they'll just pull away. It's bullshit, but it's the reality. And if Nintendo makes a decently powerful console, that won't hurt either because that's one of the number things that third parties bitch about.  

Third parties don't like Nintendo and relying on them during the Wii U launch was totally retarded of them considering that they just got done with the Wii generation where third parties started to question Nintendo. Horrible decision.

Also, you brought up third party games to counter my claim about Nintendo trying to appeal the core gamers, but none of those were Nintendo games. It doesn't matter what third parties do, it matters what Nintendo does. Nintendo only had NSMBU and Nintendoland. They didn't appeal to the core gamer at all and then they had a 9 month drought. 9 MONTHS.

Also, Nintendo should start promoting more third party games. You see commercials for some multiplatform games and during the commercial you can tell that they're promoting that game for one console and you'll see the "Y game is best played on Xbox" or whatever. Nintendo should start doing stuff like that. Pay a little extra money to have Nintendo's console shown at the end of the commercial because the consumer will be like, "Hmph, maybe I should get it on the Nintendo Blah Blah." Little things like that make a difference.

If Nintendo doesn't change Bear, then they'll slowly wither away. They can't just keep on relying on old tactics, no company can. They have to evolve their business and start making themselves known again. Because of right now, they aren't doing that and it's hurting them badly.
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Post by Bearhugger29 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 2:22 am

What is hurting them the most outside of advertising is more so of getting back what they lost. They need to gain back that causal crowd that was part of the whole Wii aspect. They moved on the smart phone and iPhone era. Which is a shame but i can understand as to why. It's more affordable as in games they wanna play. Lets say they have been doing an amazing job on there advertising aspect. Is that going to be enough to grab the attention of the casual crowd and usher them back into buying the Wii U? Honestly its hard to tell, you can never really tell when it comes to the casual market.

I mean, advertising doesn't need to be shown to the Nintendo fan base, or the core fan base cause Nintendo fans and core fans are fully aware of what the Wii U is and capable of. It will be there to get the casual back on board and i just for some odd reason Nintendo is going to have a hard time getting them back. I just hope that when they do release a slither of commercials down the road and yes they will. Lets just hope it hooks the casual back in but I'm not holding my breath.

With there first party games sure but look at how bad Mario 3D world was selling. It was doing pretty damn awful and people where shocked. The question is why, why is that? Is it really due to the lack of advertising the Wii U? Well from a casual aspect sure but how many core Nintendo fans are there that know damn well what the Wii U is and haven't even bought the system or didn't care to buy the new Mario game? That's the actual question that we need to be looking at here. Even though Mario is geared towards fans and casual alike. Yeah lack of Advertising is for sure a problem in that regards but then again like i said before in the above paragraph, can it really get the casual to run out and buy a Wii U for a game such as Mario 3D World? I hope it does when they start to push out those commercials more.

Again with there first party titles. Don't make Nintendo rush there projects. Let them take there damn time, would you rather play a broken game at launch and hope they release a patch day 1 or a few days following its release? NO, sure they can make there dev teams bigger but that's just more money Nintendo has to dish out. So it's not a win/win for them. Who knows i could be wrong on that part. New Ip's are coming but just have to wait for E3 to see them.

As for 3rd parties Nintendo knows they will forever be lost in that department minus a few but most gamers ignore that fact. I mean fuck just look at the amount of videos of idiots raging about 3rd party games not coming out for the Wii U. Do you really honestly think i myself would give a shit if GTA5 was coming to the Wii U. NOPE no one would. Expect for those who only own that system. Why is it that most people get so pissed off at that theory. If you wanna play GTA 5 that bad, buy a PS3 or 360 and shut the fuck up about it end of story.

Honestly the amount of hate that is related to Nintendo is not needed. It's just ignorant cocksuckers cause they have nothing better to do in the spare time but bitch about the flaws and problems that are going on with Nintendo that have been done to death before in the past. Having gaming hit the mainstream sure was a great thing to have happened but horrible for the Industry. To many of our beloved companies we have grown up over the generations turning in to these money hugging assholes. Yet can we really blame them or blame used sales for loss of profits. Who the fuck knows. This gaming world we all live in now is a complete joke.

Hating on a company that has been with us for so fucking long just makes me sick. It also makes me sick when i see the same hate go on towards Sony and well fuck Microsoft. Sorry got side tracked there. Nintendo sure can step up there game and they will. If you can't see it yourself Loom, them I'm sorry but i can't explain my reasons much further then i already have. You will see for yourself that 2014 will indeed be the year where the Wii U fucking out dose the PS4 and xbone 10-1. Mark my words man. It will happen.

Oh one more thing related to the whole advertising aspect. I just saw a video advertisement on Youtube for some laundry detergent and i was laughing cause there was a kid sitting on this sofa playing the Wii U. He had the Wii U gamepad in this hand but NOTHING related to Nintendo at all. Found it rather silly and funny. Yet to what's it worth, you did bring up some good points but if you think Nintendo won't bounce back from this. I'm sorry to bust your bubble bro but yeah they will bounce back.
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Re: Official All-Gaming Discussion Thread - Formally Zelda and Nintendo Thread

Post by smirkytrick on Sat Feb 15, 2014 3:08 am

I just made an interesting discovery. Technically, that huge library of classic games is still huge and growing, just not in eshop, but in the Wii's VC which is on the Wiiu. Why? was there this weird licensing thing going on? Either way, It's still good that the library remains intact.

I agree with bear. Every day, I see someone playing pokemon on a 3DS. Everyday I hear someone briefly mentioning nintendo whether it's online or in real life. In fact, this may be odd to say, but even with the Nintendo bashers like Sam or those GT assholes, they are technically promoting the company. Think of it this way, Sam from ScrewAttack says something bad about Nintendo, people in the comments come to defend nintendo. You may say he's damaging their reputation, but whether he knows it or not, he's actually getting people to talk about Nintendo. In a way that is a really effective way to advertise a product. Of course, I'm not saying he's was clever person that was secretly helping nintendo out, but I'm just saying if they were trying to take Nintendo down a peg with but opinions and bullshit logic then their plans will backfire. Because when a charming company like Nintendo is under fire, people will show support. They will defend Nintendo. And in a way, as long as there will be arguments and debates about Nintendo, and as long as there are different viewpoints, the message will still be delivered by word of mouth.
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Post by Bearhugger29 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 5:54 am

Okay here is a very good question to that i have yet to see a logical answer to. Have you guy's ever sat down and thought WHY would Nintendo just come out of no where and do almost zero advertisement for the new next gen system. Clearly money isn't an issue cause during the Wii they managed to show off all there first party games through commercials. Yet why stop now. I mean it just doesn't make any sense for them to do this. Hmmmmmm, really gets your brain wheels ticking. I have yet to see anyone bring up this matter expect for the aspect to that they are not doing it. Yet they never bother to question as to WHY. They had a whole year on the store selves and Nothing, they had 2 years to promote from when they first reveled the system. So they pretty much had a 2 and half year start to get this system out to the mass media of per advertising. Yet they completely ignored it. Hmmmm Interesting, that gets my gears rolling.

That is completely unheard of from a company like Nintendo. Perhaps maybe something happened during the 3rd party aspect. Remember after all Nintendo did have so much 3rd party or well at least we thought they had a lot of support coming but i feel like as if something went wrong during the Dev kit testing phase. Hmmm i would like to dive deeper into this myth. Many thoughts are running through my head at the moment. Perhaps maybe Nintendo didn't like alot of the idea's 3rd parties had in mind for the system or could it be that 3rd parties didn't really care for what they saw, or perhaps maybe Nintendo wasn't very express full on there behalf in explaining what the system is capable of.

Who the fuck knows. Yet for all we know Nintendo perhaps saw this coming due to negative reactions from there 2012 conference and they just figure fuck it, we will play it out and see what happens. I think they are always working on there next console but putting more forth what devs want in the 3rd party category then what Nintendo wants. So perhaps Loom, you could be right dude. Who knows, only time will tell.
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Post by ColumbianLoom on Sat Feb 15, 2014 6:16 pm

Bearhugger29 wrote:Mark my words man. It will happen.

I'M MARKING THEM! In a year's time, we'll see who's right I guess. We'll have an interesting debate next year heh heh.

Back on topic:

I'll try to make this brief because I think you and me both have said pretty much everything that has to be said.

To me Bear, it just sounds like you don't want them to change. And I guess I can't really criticize that view. You've been gaming longer than me and you've known Nintendo longer than I.

But for me, this is how I look at it: If it's not working, than fix it. To tell you the truth, I don't even know if my ideas are correct or if it's the right road to go down. I like to think it is, but I really don't know for sure. But I guess business is always like that. You can predicate all you want, but it's hard to know exactly what's going to happen. Things change fast.

But there's one thing I do know: if they don't do something, Wii U will wither away. And I don't want that. You don't want that. And a lot of people don't want that. So some type of action needs to be taken.

And to respond to your question: I think Nintendo thought their success from the Wii would just magically carry over and the Wii U would just get popular from word of mouth. I think they just underestimated the whole situation.
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Post by LegendX48 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 7:51 pm

Because I don't feel like being dissected on GT again, I'll respond to this here:

thesnowdog wrote:
bigdude1 wrote:man that looks tons better than bayo 1

Yup, and you still have people saying it looks like a last generation game. Gotta love fanboys in denial lol Very Happy
Because it honestly does. Yes, it's flashy and smooth looking but it also has absolutely nothing on it's competition as far as graphics go and sits right at home with the likes of the PS3/360 library. It simply just looks like Bayonetta.

Honestly, the more I look at Platinum Games' games the more apparent it becomes that all of their games have an extremely distinct look. Just like how unreal engine 3 games have that "look" that immediately tells you it's a unreal engine game.

ALSO, this is pretty much off topic but it really, REALLY irritates me how people treat art style and raw graphics like completely separate entities. NEWS FLASH, THEY ARE NOT COMPLETELY SEPARATE ENTITIES, THEY ARE ONE IN THE SAME!
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Post by Bearhugger29 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:10 pm

ColumbianLoom wrote:
Bearhugger29 wrote:Mark my words man. It will happen.

I'M MARKING THEM! In a year's time, we'll see who's right I guess. We'll have an interesting debate next year heh heh.

Back on topic:

I'll try to make this brief because I think you and me both have said pretty much everything that has to be said.

To me Bear, it just sounds like you don't want them to change. And I guess I can't really criticize that view. You've been gaming longer than me and you've known Nintendo longer than I.

But for me, this is how I look at it: If it's not working, than fix it. To tell you the truth, I don't even know if my ideas are correct or if it's the right road to go down. I like to think it is, but I really don't know for sure. But I guess business is always like that. You can predicate all you want, but it's hard to know exactly what's going to happen. Things change fast.

But there's one thing I do know: if they don't do something, Wii U will wither away. And I don't want that. You don't want that. And a lot of people don't want that. So some type of action needs to be taken.

And to respond to your question: I think Nintendo thought their success from the Wii would just magically carry over and the Wii U would just get popular from word of mouth. I think they just underestimated the whole situation.

Yes we will see how this ends up for Nintendo. I hope for the best for them and i will never ever begin to stop supporting a company i grew up with. If they need to make that change for the better then so be it.
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Post by ColumbianLoom on Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:22 pm

Bearhugger29 wrote:
ColumbianLoom wrote:
Bearhugger29 wrote:Mark my words man. It will happen.

I'M MARKING THEM! In a year's time, we'll see who's right I guess. We'll have an interesting debate next year heh heh.

Back on topic:

I'll try to make this brief because I think you and me both have said pretty much everything that has to be said.

To me Bear, it just sounds like you don't want them to change. And I guess I can't really criticize that view. You've been gaming longer than me and you've known Nintendo longer than I.

But for me, this is how I look at it: If it's not working, than fix it. To tell you the truth, I don't even know if my ideas are correct or if it's the right road to go down. I like to think it is, but I really don't know for sure. But I guess business is always like that. You can predicate all you want, but it's hard to know exactly what's going to happen. Things change fast.

But there's one thing I do know: if they don't do something, Wii U will wither away. And I don't want that. You don't want that. And a lot of people don't want that. So some type of action needs to be taken.

And to respond to your question: I think Nintendo thought their success from the Wii would just magically carry over and the Wii U would just get popular from word of mouth. I think they just underestimated the whole situation.

Yes we will see how this ends up for Nintendo. I hope for the best for them and i will never ever begin to stop supporting a company i grew up with. If they need to make that change for the better then so be it.

I will too. I'll forever be a Nintendo fan.
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Post by ColumbianLoom on Sat Feb 15, 2014 9:30 pm

LegendX48 wrote:Because I don't feel like being dissected on GT again, I'll respond to this here:

thesnowdog wrote:
bigdude1 wrote:man that looks tons better than bayo 1

Yup, and you still have people saying it looks like a last generation game. Gotta love fanboys in denial lol Very Happy
Because it honestly does. Yes, it's flashy and smooth looking but it also has absolutely nothing on it's competition as far as graphics go and sits right at home with the likes of the PS3/360 library. It simply just looks like Bayonetta.

Honestly, the more I look at Platinum Games' games the more apparent it becomes that all of their games have an extremely distinct look. Just like how unreal engine 3 games have that "look" that immediately tells you it's a unreal engine game.

ALSO, this is pretty much off topic but it really, REALLY irritates me how people treat art style and raw graphics like completely separate entities. NEWS FLASH, THEY ARE NOT COMPLETELY SEPARATE ENTITIES, THEY ARE ONE IN THE SAME!

I kind of feel the same. Bayonetta isn't really pushing any limits, but I don't think Bayonetta is going for that stellar look. As long as it can handle all the madness that's going on screen then that's the most important thing.

On art vs graphics, you would think they would be the same and I think most of the time you could say that, but what about games like Kirby's Epic Yarn and Muramasa where everything is straight up art? I guess technically it's all just a different graphics style, but still...
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Post by LegendX48 on Sat Feb 15, 2014 11:54 pm

That's exactly it, different styles. Just because it isn't a 3D model doesn't mean graphics aren't involved.
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Post by ColumbianLoom on Sat Apr 26, 2014 6:35 pm

I thought Pachter pretty much nailed it on his recent episode.
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/q0cyv3/pach-attack--time-to-invest-in-nintendo-

Wii U is pretty much finished. Even with Mario Kart coming out, I don't see it pushing very many units. Wii U is pretty much a failure, probably even worse than the Gamecube (yes, I know they made some type of profit from the Gamecube but it was barely anything and it still sold terribly. Yes I know the Xbox sold poorly too, but that doesn't justify the GC's mishaps. Both didn't do so great). I love the console, but I understand why it's so unappealing.

The concept behind Wii U is broken. It doesn't appeal to "core" gamers since it's kind of abstract and doesn't appeal to casuals because they already have tablets/smartphones. The people that want a Wii U already have it and not many new consumers will hop on the Wii U train for the rest of its life. Like Pachter said, probably like 3-5 million a year for now on.

And with Iwata in power, nothing will change significantly. I think his time is up and the company should move on from him. Iwata has done some good things, but I think he's outdated and needs to go.
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Post by LegendX48 on Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:05 pm

Not watching shit packer because shit packer. Anyways:

Nintendo as a whole is outdated and clinging to the past so hard they're getting dragged into the present kicking, screaming and all.

Wii U on a hardware level is horrible, no one wants a PS3 level box with a small power boost for a current gen machine. We want SSJ4 Goku, not fucking Krillin.

The Wii U concept IS NOT NEW AND IT NEVER WAS! This is why:



and the DS did it better. Dual screen gaming, people, is far and away better on a platform where you can see both simultaneously.

The Gamepad is a horrible controller. The DS4, Bone controller and Pro controller are all light years better than the gamepad and that's a fact.

The account system is still an absolute disaster and the Eshop is a god damned wasteland of fucking nothing with less than nothing updates.

*Angry mode ON* The console sucks, period. Nintendo can fuck off for all I care. The only people there worth a damn are Aunoma and his Zelda team now seeing as the rest of Nintendo is content with pumping out nothing but pure shit. *Angry mode OFF*

Stop dicking around thinking you're in your own little world you pack of dumb asses, you are locked in head to head combat with two others and it's a fight to the fucking death. FIGHT BACK!! YOU ARE GETTING REAMED AND CLEAVED AND YOU SEE FIT TO JUST LIE THERE TAKING IT UP THE ASS! IT MAKES ME UPSET DAMN IT!
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Post by Koenig on Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:12 pm

You left your angry mode on the entire time Legend.
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Post by Koenig on Sat Apr 26, 2014 7:26 pm

ColumbianLoom wrote:I thought Pachter pretty much nailed it on his recent episode.
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/q0cyv3/pach-attack--time-to-invest-in-nintendo-

Wii U is pretty much finished. Even with Mario Kart coming out, I don't see it pushing very many units. Wii U is pretty much a failure, probably even worse than the Gamecube (yes, I know they made some type of profit from the Gamecube but it was barely anything and it still sold terribly. Yes I know the Xbox sold poorly too, but that doesn't justify the GC's mishaps. Both didn't do so great). I love the console, but I understand why it's so unappealing.
Regardless of that, Nintendo will still make a profit from the Wii U.  They are not going to win this console generation but are  not going to lose money either.  A stark contrast to how the PS3 and 360 affected their parent companies profits.

ColumbianLoom wrote:
The concept behind Wii U is broken. It doesn't appeal to "core" gamers since it's kind of abstract and doesn't appeal to casuals because they already have tablets/smartphones. The people that want a Wii U already have it and not many new consumers will hop on the Wii U train for the rest of its life. Like Pachter said, probably like 3-5 million a year for now on.
I disagree in part.  The Gamepad is a just as functional as a regular controller, but its awkward design does not interest most people.  I think Nintendo should have either improved the gamepad further (Triggers, back facing cammera, etc) or sold it as an add on.

ColumbianLoom wrote:
And with Iwata in power, nothing will change significantly. I think his time is up and the company should move on from him. Iwata has done some good things, but I think he's outdated and needs to go.
I am on the fence about this one.  Iwata is out of touch with the modern gaming community, but looking at other companies I would much rather have him over a business minded person.  Far to often they care little for the consumer and value the almighty dollar above all else(EA, Activision, and the former XBOX director Don Mattrick are prime examples)  I only want to see Iwata replaced if the successor has video games as his priority.
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Post by ColumbianLoom on Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:26 pm

Koenig wrote:
ColumbianLoom wrote:I thought Pachter pretty much nailed it on his recent episode.
http://www.gametrailers.com/videos/q0cyv3/pach-attack--time-to-invest-in-nintendo-

Wii U is pretty much finished. Even with Mario Kart coming out, I don't see it pushing very many units. Wii U is pretty much a failure, probably even worse than the Gamecube (yes, I know they made some type of profit from the Gamecube but it was barely anything and it still sold terribly. Yes I know the Xbox sold poorly too, but that doesn't justify the GC's mishaps. Both didn't do so great). I love the console, but I understand why it's so unappealing.
Regardless of that, Nintendo will still make a profit from the Wii U.  They are not going to win this console generation but are  not going to lose money either.  A stark contrast to how the PS3 and 360 affected their parent companies profits.

How is that? With the amount of supply and demand with the Wii U, there's more supply than demand. How can they make money when it isn't meeting any of its goals?

ColumbianLoom wrote:
The concept behind Wii U is broken. It doesn't appeal to "core" gamers since it's kind of abstract and doesn't appeal to casuals because they already have tablets/smartphones. The people that want a Wii U already have it and not many new consumers will hop on the Wii U train for the rest of its life. Like Pachter said, probably like 3-5 million a year for now on.
I disagree in part.  The Gamepad is a just as functional as a regular controller, but its awkward design does not interest most people.  I think Nintendo should have either improved the gamepad further (Triggers, back facing cammera, etc) or sold it as an add on.

That's what I mean. It's not appealing to anyone really! Therefore the concept of it is broken.

ColumbianLoom wrote:
And with Iwata in power, nothing will change significantly. I think his time is up and the company should move on from him. Iwata has done some good things, but I think he's outdated and needs to go.
I am on the fence about this one.  Iwata is out of touch with the modern gaming community, but looking at other companies I would much rather have him over a business minded person.  Far to often they care little for the consumer and value the almighty dollar above all else(EA, Activision, and the former XBOX director Don Mattrick are prime examples)  I only want to see Iwata replaced if the successor has video games as his priority.


That's true, but I think they will hire someone that is genuinely passionate about video games. All their presidents in different countries prove this: Reggie and Satoru Shibata (NOE president). I think they can find a young, passionate gamer to run the company. That's what Nintendo needs right now. We need young thinkers in there.
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Post by ColumbianLoom on Sat Apr 26, 2014 9:30 pm

LegendX48 wrote:Not watching shit packer because shit packer. Anyways:

Nintendo as a whole is outdated and clinging to the past so hard they're getting dragged into the present kicking, screaming and all.

Wii U on a hardware level is horrible, no one wants a PS3 level box with a small power boost for a current gen machine. We want SSJ4 Goku, not fucking Krillin.

The Wii U concept IS NOT NEW AND IT NEVER WAS! This is why:



and the DS did it better. Dual screen gaming, people, is far and away better on a platform where you can see both simultaneously.

The Gamepad is a horrible controller. The DS4, Bone controller and Pro controller are all light years better than the gamepad and that's a fact.

The account system is still an absolute disaster and the Eshop is a god damned wasteland of fucking nothing with less than nothing updates.

*Angry mode ON* The console sucks, period. Nintendo can fuck off for all I care. The only people there worth a damn are Aunoma and his Zelda team now seeing as the rest of Nintendo is content with pumping out nothing but pure shit. *Angry mode OFF*

Stop dicking around thinking you're in your own little world you pack of dumb asses, you are locked in head to head combat with two others and it's a fight to the fucking death. FIGHT BACK!! YOU ARE GETTING REAMED AND CLEAVED AND YOU SEE FIT TO JUST LIE THERE TAKING IT UP THE ASS! IT MAKES ME UPSET DAMN IT!

This post lost its credibility at the end there. That's just blind hate with no base lol.
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Post by LegendX48 on Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:49 pm

@ Loom, what part? The butt sex or the angry mode jargon?

Koenig wrote:You left your angry mode on the entire time Legend.
lies!
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Post by Cybersix on Sat Apr 26, 2014 11:50 pm

LegendX48 wrote:@ Loom, what part? The butt sex or the angry mode jargon?

Koenig wrote:You left your angry mode on the entire time Legend.
lies!
And slander!
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Post by Koenig on Sun Apr 27, 2014 12:15 am

I had written a lengthy response but I lost it when I posted without noticing my Internet had dropped. So...Short version.

@Loom: Even at launch Wii U is profitable to Nintendo after just one purchase, couple this with the fact that most of the people who currently own a Wii U are likely dedicated fans and that manufacturing costs will only go down; and you can see how Nintendo will still make a profit in the long run.
Nintendo is at heart, a toy company; they do not need to dominate the market like Microsoft or Sony to turn a profit.

In regards to the gamepad; I do not think that the concept is not flawed, but rather I think its execution is.
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