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Post by Lunacy on Sun Sep 25, 2016 10:54 pm

The heat! D:
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Post by Cybersix on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:10 pm

That cool fifteen degrees, feels good man
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Post by Lunacy on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:11 pm

It was 31 at 8am, currently it's 24.
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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by zulux21 on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:24 pm

Koenig wrote:I really wish a non shit gaming company would just buyout Capcom, Konami, and Sega, and put them out of their misery; either completely gutting the upper management or shutting them down outright.  The only thing worth saving form these companies is their IP and some of their development teams.

uh.... one of those is not like the other.
Sega has actually done a ton of good things in the last few years. A lot of their good isn't with the IPs sega is known for, but they have slowly been making strides to become basically the best Japanese PC developer.

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-Mazer wrote:
Koenig wrote:I really wish a non shit gaming company would just buyout Capcom, Konami, and Sega, and put them out of their misery; either completely gutting the upper management or shutting them down outright.  The only thing worth saving form these companies is their IP and some of their development teams.

They need to be shut down and their IP's handed over to devs who give a damn. Silent Hill really needs to be given to a company who knows what it is doing. Same with Mega Man and Sonic.
*Cough* Nintendo *Cough*

Granted, a third party company would be better all things consider

With that said, I don't understand why Nintendo does not jump at the chance to assimilate IP and studio's like these; they have let opportunities like this slip through their fingers before. Why Nintendo stood idly by while studios like Argonaught and Factor 5 closed down, and publishers like THQ had all their IP sold off.  I guess they are just to internally focused to really care in most situations.

why doesn't nintendo assimilate them?
nintendo net worth
¥1.161 trillion
revenue ¥504.459 billion

Konami
revenue ¥ 15,995 million
can't find an accurate net worth but could be possible for nintendo to buy if they were selling, but their IPs are far more sony/microsoft friendly.

Capcom
net worth around ¥170 billion
revenue ¥25.9 billion
no accurate net worth, but at that price you are bordering on putting a nintendo at serious risk by trying to buy them with an upcoming console launch. Beyond that a company would likely sell for more than it's net worth, likely quite a bit more since they aren't trying to sell.

and the big one.
Sega
¥0.85 trillion
revenue ¥347.981 billion
Thanks to pokemon go related success and sega falling a bit nintendo is actually worth more than sega for now. but in general sega has been worth more than nintendo for the last 5-10 years. You maybe could swing a merger, but there isn't any way in hell nintendo could buy sega. Pachinko brings in a ton of money for sega.


but in general it comes down to a case of cost vs projected earnings vs getting them to sell. While it might be feesable for nintendo to buy konami really what would their IPs be good for for them? I mean they don't throw enough money behind their own IPs to hope to put enough money into a proper metal gear project. sure silent hill could be fun, but if they wanted to make that game why would they need the silent hill IP? They could just make something similar. It's just not a good fit, and in general they could make similar games with out the IPs if they wanted to, and quite frankly they would likely turn out better than using the IPs that have been drug through the mud.

and capcom... well there is monster hunter... but that is basically nintendo exclusive right now. and well smash bros is a way better game than street fighter can ever hope to be, so they really don't need a fighting game. Megaman... well why buy the company, they likely could just buy the IP instead, but well you could likely just use the metroid IP for anything you wanted to do with a megaman game. really there isn't any reason for nintendo to want to buy capcom. They basically get all the of pluses from Capcom that they would get if they owned them, without any of the negatives.

but really it typically comes down to even being able to buy stuff. Yes as a company capcom is worth quite a bit less than nintendo. That doesn't mean nintendo could afford them. It's not like nintendo can go up to them and go "you are worth 200 billion, so here is a check and we will take everything from you." typically buy outs happen at prices much higher than their value. to buy up capcom would likely take 3-4 times their total value, which is more than nintendo could afford even if they wanted to.

beyond that, even lets say the stars align and these buy outs happen. It still likely wouldn't be a good thing. a company like nintendo is only willing to commit so many resources to making games. So if they get konami rights, that likely means that any other bigger projects such as a metroid prime 4 would be scrapped in order to fund a metal gear solid game. that instead of getting a game like splatoon, a unique new IP, you would have just gotten a kid friendly version of metal gear solid. Companies buying up other companies IPs rarely turns out super well, unless they basically leave that company to continue to exist as it was such as atlus and gust after sega and koei bought them up respectively.

no, instead of hoping for another company to buy them up, which in the case of a company doing poor work almost always leads to it continuing to do poor work or even worse work. You should hope that the companies merely change. As I said Sega actually has been doing some pretty good work these last few years. That was due to a lot of company changes, and in general they seem to be going in a much better direction. Hope for that to happen to konami and capcom where the right people get in the right position and start to change the company for the better, as that is typically much better than companies being bought out, thousands of people losing their jobs, and plenty of IPs being left to rot as it is rather rare for a company to have to much money and not enough IPs. (gung ho is one of the only companies I can think of that had that problem, because puzzle and dragons made them a crap ton of money so they started buying up companies and funneling them money.)
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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by zulux21 on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:25 pm

Lunacy wrote:It was 31 at 8am, currently it's 24.
it's 16 going down to 11 with a high of 18 tomorrow
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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by Lunacy on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:27 pm

lucky jerks
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Post by Cybersix on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:32 pm

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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by zulux21 on Sun Sep 25, 2016 11:43 pm

another day
another game I think Mazer could be interested in

http://store.steampowered.com/app/483980/?snr=1_7_7_230_150_2
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Post by Cybersix on Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:29 am

He is our mad father
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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by -Mazer on Mon Sep 26, 2016 1:56 am


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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by zulux21 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:07 am

-Mazer wrote:

because I couldn't resist.
I did a quick read of the bad ass babes intro text Razz
I need to practice this voice more because it hurts after a few tries Razz
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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by Koenig on Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:21 am

@Zuluz, A damn good analysis you did there.
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Post by zulux21 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 2:53 am

Koenig wrote:@Zuluz,  A damn good analysis you did there.  

Razz

I make non joke posts from time to time Razz

that all being said I am still mad at capcom again so I hope they go under and someone buys them.

maybe then I can get my ace attorney physically.

or you know... they wouldn't not bring over a game citing low sales/ copyright issues, and then proceed to announce a sequel to that game, and expect fans to just accept copyright issues because of sherlock holmes... except... he is a public domain character (well any content that came out before 1923 is, which is most of it) at this point and thus there aren't any issues :/

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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by Koenig on Mon Sep 26, 2016 8:57 am

That's right....Ace Attorney 6 came out didn't it? I was going to buy it, but fuck digital only.
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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by Hugh Mungus on Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:45 am

I skipped on 5 because digital only and I'll do it again for 6 and every other, greatest 3rd party company my ass.
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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by zulux21 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 12:29 pm

i bought them even though digital only because I love the series.

I am mostly just angry that the sherlock holmes spin of ace attorney game didn't get released here and now there is a sequel to it, since it will now be 3 ace attorney games we don't have Sad
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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by LegendX48 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 7:42 pm

All this election stuff is crazy.
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Post by -Mazer on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:36 pm

I like some of Trumps views on taxes and such. I also like when he says "I'll release my tax returns against my lawyer's wishes the moment she releases her 33k emails"

Very Happy

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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by Lunacy on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:39 pm

He spews forth verbal diarrhea, while Clinton says nothing of true substance. Although, I really agree with reconsidering the whole NATO affair. I would be happy if we did away with it, to be honest.
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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by -Mazer on Mon Sep 26, 2016 9:55 pm

Clinton is Lois Griffen.
"9....11!"

On a different point. Did you guys watch my bad ass babes part one?

When I see that giant penis I lose it. LOL

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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by smirkytrick on Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:19 pm

Just found out the the voice behind Zorak and Moltar passed away. :'(
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Post by Cybersix on Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:42 pm

To be honest, I kinda want a Make America Great Again hat
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Re: Gen Chat XV: A Whole New Chat

Post by LegendX48 on Mon Sep 26, 2016 10:44 pm

*Plays through Pokemon Blue*

Oh how I've missed you! Lame that Nintendo removed all the GBC color filter features from the VC version of Red & Blue though
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Post by -Mazer on Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:24 pm

smirkytrick wrote:Just found out the the voice behind Zorak and Moltar passed away. :'(

Noooo Sad Omg...I had like 5 chances to meet him and never got the opportunity to actually make it to those cons on their show dates

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Post by Cybersix on Mon Sep 26, 2016 11:39 pm

Way to go Mazer
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