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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by -Mazer Thu May 22, 2014 9:49 pm
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- Darth Luna wrote:I liked it, but I have many gripes with it. chief among them being the MUTO.
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- Why the fuck is their main attack an emp? This was a glaring plothole for me, since in nature there are no animals that would succumb to emp and it is essentially only useful against the humans' technology.
They can clear this up in 2 ways, either make it so that in the era that these creatures come from, there were some were susceptible to emp strikes. Or 2, the MUTO were actually alien creatures meant to soften up the humans for conquest, by knocking out their technology.
That second point is my prefered for this other gripe, why did Godzilla chase and destroy these creatures? There was speculation that he was the alpha predato and was hunting them, but if that's the case, why didn't he eat them, and 2, that being the last of their kind, thus his food source, now he's doomed.
On the other hand, if the MUTO were alien and Godzilla recognized this instinctively, then it would be reasonable to see why he just straight up destroyed them.
Essentially my problem with this movie is that it felt like set up for further movies without answering anything for the audience. An after credit scene showing aliens pissed off that their MUTO were defeated would have solved this and been extra awesome as set up for future movies.
Well, the MUTO were actually Parasites that feast upon larger creatures. So my theory is that the reason Godzilla hunts them is to basically protect himself. Like he senses them and then is like "Crap, these creatures are a threat" and hunts them down. Not to feed upon but just to slaughter because they showed that these things can reside inside larger monsters (remember their shells were found inside the bones of a massive beast)
As for the EMP - I did a quick google search. It seems that EMPs can actually create a violent blast of Gamma Radiation if the EMP is strong enough.EMPs are radiation after all and strong enough ones can come from forces (such as nuclear explosions) which will be accompanied by gamma rays. So if a pulse is strong enough, it CAN hurt the body, but it would be because of the gamma rays and other stronger radiation.
So it may not be strong enough to kill a Godzilla like creature but it could hurt or even disorientate it. We saw that the MUTO are capable of actually tearing creatures a part. The EMP may be nothing more than a "Back off or you'll get hurt" warning like a rattle snake's tail.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by Lunacy Thu May 22, 2014 9:57 pm
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- Yeah, I was thinking that too, that it could have been because they're parasites, but weren't they a little big to be parasites? Especially the female that was as big as Godzilla.
Maybe the babies once they hatched, but then that wouldn't make sense, because the MUTO hatched and became big immediately.
As for the EMP becoming to the MUTO what the rattle is to the rattlesnake, outside of how it looked in the movie, it lookes nothing like that in real life. In fact, it's not even visible. So that couldn't be a tell either, unless a creature senses it.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by -Mazer Thu May 22, 2014 10:07 pm
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Maybe the babies once they hatched, but then that wouldn't make sense, because the MUTO hatched and became big immediately.
As for the EMP becoming to the MUTO what the rattle is to the rattlesnake, outside of how it looked in the movie, it lookes nothing like that in real life. In fact, it's not even visible. So that couldn't be a tell either, unless a creature senses it.
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- I am sure they sense it considering, according to Watanabe, all these creatures fed off radiation. So I am sure when the EMP is released, other creatures would feel it since they all have the same bio-system inside of them to an extent.
And here is how the MUTO work from what I saw. They have teensy babies that hunt down giant monsters and crawl inside of them. As the baby grows, it forms that giant shell and begins feasting off the radiation inside of the monster until the monster dies.
If the MUTO grows completely, it breaks out of the monster (thus killing it which explains why they are so vicious) and seeks a mate to create more babies.
If the monster dies before it matures, the MUTO hibernates in that shell until it becomes strong enough to break out (which is what it did when the humans let it stay at the radiation plant).
They are kind of like those flies that lay their eggs inside of the head of spiders. The adult versions only exist to mate and lay new eggs. It's the tiny babies that actually destroy the other monsters.
So basically Godzilla hears the two communicating and is like "Crap. Mama and Pop are here. They NEED to be destroyed before they lay eggs because those babies will be a huge threat to me." So he exterminates them in order to save his own skin rather than just wanting to feed off of them.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by Lunacy Thu May 22, 2014 10:13 pm
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- I guess if I look at it as them going to many metamorphosis, then it makes more sense. Still doesn't make sense how they knew to attack with the emp and that it would be effective against the humans. Even if it was instinctive, I just can't think of creatures, especially when they get to the same size, that would be affected by it.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by -Mazer Thu May 22, 2014 10:16 pm
Darth Luna wrote:
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- I don't think they did know it would be effective. The only time they released EMPs is when they are FIRST attacked by humans. Every time they walked past humans without being attacked, they didn't give two damns. The moment they were attacked, they release an EMP. It's a warning for lesser animals to back the f*ck off least they get all kinds of messedup.
And again its not supposed to be a weapon. Just something to tell other animals to back off so it wouldn't really affect creatures like Godzilla, but just tell them "Hey buddy...I'm here. Back the hell off."
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by LegendX48 Fri May 23, 2014 9:19 pm
Saw this earlier as well. Some little things just bugged me and it just wasn't as great as the rest of the world has been saying.TensePsychopath wrote:
Easily one of the best comic book films in years.
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- Wolverine being sent back when it was supposed to be Shadowcat, Shadowcat being with Iceman instead of Colossus, changing the assassination from that of Senator Kelly to Bolivar Trask. The way it ended was nice and the ways the X-Men were killed in the future were good and crazy. Colossus being ripped in half while in his metal form was some crazy shit. Quicksilver 1) shouldn't have been in it for the 70s portion OR he should've only been an infant at most 2) while cool, was only in the movie for about 5 minutes
I feel like reading the comic before seeing the movie was a huge mistake and I just couldn't love it due to that. Thought it was alright in the end.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by TensePsychopath Sat May 24, 2014 2:49 am
LegendX48 wrote:Saw this earlier as well. Some little things just bugged me and it just wasn't as great as the rest of the world has been saying.TensePsychopath wrote:
Easily one of the best comic book films in years.
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I feel like reading the comic before seeing the movie was a huge mistake and I just couldn't love it due to that. Thought it was alright in the end.
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- Of course it had to be Wolverine sent back though. He's basically the franchise protagonist and non-comic readers hardly know Shadowcat, she's only been in one previous movie that's almost ten years old. Also, when was it shown that Shadowcat was with Iceman? Rogue's cameo at the end showed that he was still with her.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by LegendX48 Sat May 24, 2014 12:01 pm
TensePsychopath wrote:LegendX48 wrote:Saw this earlier as well. Some little things just bugged me and it just wasn't as great as the rest of the world has been saying.TensePsychopath wrote:[img]http://content6.flixster.com/site/10/26/31/10263108_ori.jpg[img]
Easily one of the best comic book films in years.
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I feel like reading the comic before seeing the movie was a huge mistake and I just couldn't love it due to that. Thought it was alright in the end.
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- Future timeline when they all meet up before sending Wolverine back. They're holding hands.
But anyways, I feel like I would've liked the movie considerably more if I had never read the comic.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by TensePsychopath Sat May 24, 2014 2:10 pm
LegendX48 wrote:TensePsychopath wrote:LegendX48 wrote:Saw this earlier as well. Some little things just bugged me and it just wasn't as great as the rest of the world has been saying.TensePsychopath wrote:[img]http://content6.flixster.com/site/10/26/31/10263108_ori.jpg[img]
Easily one of the best comic book films in years.
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I feel like reading the comic before seeing the movie was a huge mistake and I just couldn't love it due to that. Thought it was alright in the end.
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But anyways, I feel like I would've liked the movie considerably more if I had never read the comic.
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- Well the ending with Rogue has changed that anyway.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by LegendX48 Sat May 24, 2014 9:52 pm
The Amazing Spider-Man 2
good but don't like what they did with Electro.
Enjoyed it more than X-Men DOFP
good but don't like what they did with Electro.
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- Making him that obsessed weirdo? Come the fuck on, man.
Enjoyed it more than X-Men DOFP
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by ColumbianLoom Sun May 25, 2014 11:02 pm
So I watched X-Men last night and it was definitely the best X-Men movie I've ever seen. Probably even better than X-Men Origins.
But there was plot holes that I picked together throughout the movie (I haven't read the comics btw, I'm just going by the movies):
But there was plot holes that I picked together throughout the movie (I haven't read the comics btw, I'm just going by the movies):
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- First off, why is Charles alive in the future? Didn't he die in X-Men 3? Like what the fuck!?
Second, why was Striker so young? That makes no sense. In X-Men Origins they were a team for a while and he was much older. That makes absolutely no sense.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by TensePsychopath Mon May 26, 2014 4:08 am
ColumbianLoom wrote:So I watched X-Men last night and it was definitely the best X-Men movie I've ever seen. Probably even better than X-Men Origins.
But there was plot holes that I picked together throughout the movie (I haven't read the comics btw, I'm just going by the movies):
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Second, why was Striker so young? That makes no sense. In X-Men Origins they were a team for a while and he was much older. That makes absolutely no sense.
I thought X-Men Origins was meant to be incredibly shitty...
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- The post-credits scene of X-Men 3 shows that Charles transferred his consciousness into the body of his comatose twin brother. It's pretty stupid, but then I think most people would rather forget that X-Men 3 ever existed. The ending of DOFP pretty much erased everything that happened in it anyway.
I think the whole Stryker thing is because the actor was originally meant to be playing a young Juggernaut, but he was written out of the film and changed to Stryker.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by LegendX48 Mon May 26, 2014 12:12 pm
Charles Xavier has died a billion times in the comics, don't even bother getting worked up over
And Origins is a travesty, it is NOT Wolverine's origin but some brand new shit written for toddlers instead
Also, the more I think about it the less I dislike the DOFP movie. It's still no The Wolverine or X2 but still, it's climbing up there.
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- how he's alive in DOFP even though he actually is supposed to be dead in the story proper with Magneto being in charge of the X-Men trying to accomplish the same mission in the future time line
And Origins is a travesty, it is NOT Wolverine's origin but some brand new shit written for toddlers instead
Also, the more I think about it the less I dislike the DOFP movie. It's still no The Wolverine or X2 but still, it's climbing up there.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by Lunacy Mon May 26, 2014 12:17 pm
Lol at this convo. FoXmen movies are all a travesty. Also, Origins is a tragedy, just so bad (I'm not even talking about Deadpool here). As for continuity errors, Fox has managed to do with a couple of movies over a period of, what a decade, what has happened to the comics since the 60s. Not sure if I should congratulate them on that or not....
Anyhow, the best way to get enjoyment from the movies is to know nothing about the comics. I don't care if Fox adds teasers/easter eggs for comic fans, it's for the best to know nothing. Many long time comics fans are too busy being appalled at the butchering of the characters to be interested in that (I'm partially in this camp).
Back to the issue of continuity erros, that's what pissed me off more than anything. They were already doing a bad adaptation, but then they go and fuck up their own shit by making it convoluted and contradicting the stuff they had set up. I think First Class was the one that really took that to the new level.
Anyhow, it's best to try and enjoy the movies on individual basis or maybe even individual sections of movies.
Also, I still don't like first class just because I was so excited when they announced they were doing that series. I thought it was gonna be the actual X-men first class comic. That would have been awesome. Was just a huge disappointment to see the truth. :/
Anyhow, the best way to get enjoyment from the movies is to know nothing about the comics. I don't care if Fox adds teasers/easter eggs for comic fans, it's for the best to know nothing. Many long time comics fans are too busy being appalled at the butchering of the characters to be interested in that (I'm partially in this camp).
Back to the issue of continuity erros, that's what pissed me off more than anything. They were already doing a bad adaptation, but then they go and fuck up their own shit by making it convoluted and contradicting the stuff they had set up. I think First Class was the one that really took that to the new level.
Anyhow, it's best to try and enjoy the movies on individual basis or maybe even individual sections of movies.
Also, I still don't like first class just because I was so excited when they announced they were doing that series. I thought it was gonna be the actual X-men first class comic. That would have been awesome. Was just a huge disappointment to see the truth. :/
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by TensePsychopath Mon May 26, 2014 12:21 pm
LegendX48 wrote:Also, the more I think about it the less I dislike the DOFP movie. It's still no The Wolverine or X2 but still, it's climbing up there.
The Wolverine was so meh.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by LegendX48 Mon May 26, 2014 12:38 pm
I thought it was great, the uncut and extended version is the way to go though his claws still don't get bloody enough. But, yeah, it's still pretty full of what Luna said, all that character butchering. The Silver Samurai wasn't the silver samurai.TensePsychopath wrote:LegendX48 wrote:Also, the more I think about it the less I dislike the DOFP movie. It's still no The Wolverine or X2 but still, it's climbing up there.
The Wolverine was so meh.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by Lunacy Mon May 26, 2014 1:36 pm
http://io9.com/8-ways-x-men-movie-continuity-is-still-irretrievably-f-1581678509
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relevant to this convo
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by ColumbianLoom Mon May 26, 2014 7:31 pm
LegendX48 wrote:Charles Xavier has died a billion times in the comics, don't even bother getting worked up over
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And Origins is a travesty, it is NOT Wolverine's origin but some brand new shit written for toddlers instead
Also, the more I think about it the less I dislike the DOFP movie. It's still no The Wolverine or X2 but still, it's climbing up there.
Darth Luna wrote:Lol at this convo. FoXmen movies are all a travesty. Also, Origins is a tragedy, just so bad (I'm not even talking about Deadpool here). As for continuity errors, Fox has managed to do with a couple of movies over a period of, what a decade, what has happened to the comics since the 60s. Not sure if I should congratulate them on that or not....
Anyhow, the best way to get enjoyment from the movies is to know nothing about the comics. I don't care if Fox adds teasers/easter eggs for comic fans, it's for the best to know nothing. Many long time comics fans are too busy being appalled at the butchering of the characters to be interested in that (I'm partially in this camp).
Back to the issue of continuity erros, that's what pissed me off more than anything. They were already doing a bad adaptation, but then they go and fuck up their own shit by making it convoluted and contradicting the stuff they had set up. I think First Class was the one that really took that to the new level.
Anyhow, it's best to try and enjoy the movies on individual basis or maybe even individual sections of movies.
Also, I still don't like first class just because I was so excited when they announced they were doing that series. I thought it was gonna be the actual X-men first class comic. That would have been awesome. Was just a huge disappointment to see the truth. :/
Darth Luna wrote:http://io9.com/8-ways-x-men-movie-continuity-is-still-irretrievably-f-1581678509
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Lol. Thank god I haven't read the comics. I would probably be just as pissed as you guys. Your guys' feeling of frustration must be similar to when I see a piss poor anime adaption of a manga.
Basically the whole series sounds fucked. They might as well just start over from the beginning and correct all this crap.
I feel like a director like Christopher Nolan would be able to save the X-Men movie series.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by LegendX48 Mon May 26, 2014 7:43 pm
Well, in that respect, DOFP did do just that, everything sans X1 and First Class (arguably) has been retconned entirely. Though it's not the best start it will be interesting to see where they go from here.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by ColumbianLoom Sat Jun 14, 2014 10:23 pm
LegendX48 wrote:Well, in that respect, DOFP did do just that, everything sans X1 and First Class (arguably) has been retconned entirely. Though it's not the best start it will be interesting to see where they go from here.
I think they should redo the whole series.
I just got done with Maleficent. I have to say I was pretty disappointed. I expected the movie to much darker and better written.
Maleficent herself had good development, but all the other characters were paper cutouts and just sucked. And like I said, it was a little too lighthearted.
It was nice, but I feel like it was wasted potential.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by -Mazer Mon Jun 23, 2014 4:56 pm
Wow....HTTYD 2 was all light and fluffy then suddenly turn dark and serious near the end of the 2nd act.
holy crap
holy crap
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by Cybersix Mon Jun 23, 2014 9:50 pm
I know!-Mazer wrote:Wow....HTTYD 2 was all light and fluffy then suddenly turn dark and serious near the end of the 2nd act.
holy crap
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by -Mazer Mon Jun 23, 2014 10:09 pm
Cybersix wrote:I know!-Mazer wrote:Wow....HTTYD 2 was all light and fluffy then suddenly turn dark and serious near the end of the 2nd act.
holy crap
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- And he didn't die slowly or anything! I mean usually when a character dies they are alive long enough to say some words of love and wisdom...but no. BLAM! Point blank with Blue Energy/Fire. He died INSTANTLY
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by Koenig Thu Jun 26, 2014 12:51 am
I just watch Amelie. I liked it, regardless of the fact I found some content inappropriate.
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Re: Movie Discussion Thread
by Justin Thu Jun 26, 2014 2:47 am
I watched Frozen not too long ago.
I didn't like it.
I didn't like it.
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